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Unknown / Re: I have no idea.......
« on: April 13, 2018, 02:46:09 pm »

Latest update. Now available is the new machine embroidered Verbandsabzeichen of the Cyber & Information Space Command (CIR) with golden border on anthracite background. Anthracite is the branch color of the CIR.

U.S. Army / Re: 370th AIB, US Constab
« on: October 14, 2017, 02:01:20 am »
Awesome patch/tab combination. Thanks for sharing this gem!

Foreign / International / New German Bundeswehr Beret Insignia
« on: September 05, 2017, 03:01:51 pm »
The "Kommando Cyber- und Informationsraum" (Cyber and Information Space Command) was established as a separate Bundeswehr military branch in April 2017.

This is the new CIR beret insignia, worn on the dark blue beret.

U.S. Army / Re: Division nicknames on tabs
« on: June 01, 2017, 03:10:21 pm »
Fantastic thread, thanks for sharing these unique gems!


U.S. Army / Re: 15th Infantry Battle Patrol
« on: April 14, 2017, 12:24:08 pm »
Wow, another one I've never seen before. Thanks for sharing!


Update: the bullion variant of the Ausbildungskommando insignia, still missining on the initial schools/training unit board's pic. The patch was released in late 2016.

U.S. Military / Unknown Patch "Sudden Death"
« on: November 05, 2016, 11:52:58 am »
I need help IDing this Vietnam made patch. Thanks in advance for your help!


Other / Re: Pictures of Patches from the past
« on: October 04, 2016, 02:15:05 pm »
That's a great picture! Are these crossed sabers or rifles on the Lt's collar far left?

Foreign / International / Re: The Misterious "BIC MAC" Uniform
« on: July 18, 2016, 03:53:43 pm »
Epilog: Last month I got a call from a retired Stabsfeldwebel. He wanted to donate the insignia he collected during his career at the German Arty School to the German Artillery Association. When I visited him I learned that he had collected a nearly complete collection of all German Arty pocket hangers available in the 1980's/1990's. Within the lot I found a pocket hanger for an AN/USD-501 UAV unit. Upon request he told me that he had collected these insignia from trainees joining different trainings at the Arty School in Idar-Oberstein. At least this one I've never seen before. Doing a short online research I learned that the UAV Drohne CL 89 was tested in Yuma/Arizone and Shilo/Manitoba in the 1960's as well. Unfortunately this little gem has no manufacturer's logo.

Guest Questions / Re: identification
« on: July 01, 2016, 03:42:37 pm »
Referring to ASMIC's Motto List it's the DUI of 1051st Engineer Battailion.



I hope I understood your questions right.

I'm unsure if the different designs of the SSI were even requested by the different divisions, which were formed only a few years before without any "historical lineage". I assume that these insignia were developed en bloc at the ministry of defence under the application of more stringent heraldic rules. To gave them all an equal look the most popular heraldic base, the shield was chosen. 

You mentioned the esprit de corps. I think it rather exists on battalion or battery/company level than on division level. For this purpose "Interne Verbandsabzeichen" (pocket hangers similar to US Army DUI) were introduced in the early 1980's. The existence of several thousends of different pocket hangers proves this theory IMHO.



In 2002 the Heerestruppenkommando was formed. This command consisted of separate combat support brigades (Artillery, NBC Protection, Logistics, Air Defence, Engineers) each wearing the command's patch with the branch-color border (first row of the next board). Most of these units were disbanded until 2011.
The Sanitätsdienst der Bundeswehr became a separate military branch in 2000. Since then members of the different medical commands wear their own SSI (depicted on the left side of the next board - official insignia on the top row, manufacturer errors/variants below).

Last but not least some mixed up insignia (first style airborne and mountain SSI, firefighters and NATO/multinational SSI ) and some of the machine embroidered variants I've mentione din my initial post and which are not available in the supply line but are/were made by different embroideries (depicted on the right of the next picture):

Some close ups again.

That's it, thanks for looking!

To make a long story short. After German unification the East German NVA and most of the West German Bundeswehr units were disbanded. Two new Bw Divisions were deployed in Eastern Germany (13. & 14. Panzergrenadierdivision). Their brigade's SSI differ from the division's insignia, each referring to the region they were deployed in (second and third row of the next picture). New divisions were deployed like the Division Schnelle Kräfte (rapid deployment division) and the Division Lufbewegliche Kräfte (air mobile division), their insignia depicted at the fourth row of the board.
The former Heimatschutzbrigaden (home defence brigades, fifth row) were disbanded completely.

Some close-ups

Until German unification the German Bundeswehr ground forces were structured into 3 army corps with 12 divisions and 36 combat brigades. In most cases the army division's insignia consits of heraldic elements related to the mission (airborne, mountain) or the coat of arms of the state or region the division was deployed. 

Members of the division HQ and divisional units are wearing the division SSI with black/white border. Members of the division's 1st brigade are wearing the same patch with white border, 2nd brigade with red border and 3rd brigade with yellow border. These borders do of course NOT indicate a branch but are part of the "Prussian color sequence" (Preussische Farbfolge). The prussians introduced a  6 colors sequence to distinguish different sub-units of a regiment, brigade, division etc. The color sequence is:
1. = white
2. = red
3. = yellow
4. = blue
5. = green
6. = brown/black

For example the patches of the 4. Panzergrenadierdivision (Armored Infantry Division) with the 3 brigades (Panzergrenadierbrigade 10 & 11, Panzerbrigade 12)

Pictures of divisions 1-10 and their brigades 1-30.

The close-ups. Machine woven patches on the left, hand embroidered variants on the right.

Top row of the next picture: 11. Panzergrenadierdivision and 12. Panzerdivision with brigades 31 - 36. So far the Bw cold war structure.

to be continued

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